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Where did EVERYTHING come from?
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Permalink Reply by Dan on -
It is impossible for the very limited human mind to grasp that which is in another dimension. God says he has always been and always will be, try to figure that one out. EVERYTHING came from God.
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Permalink Reply by TheGratefulNed on -
Please explain what you mean by "another dimension." There are 10 and 11 dimensional string (and related) theories that we understand pretty well.
Also, to be fair (and accurate), ancient humans wrote down claims that god told them he has always been and always will be. It may be your belief that the words of the christian bible are directly from your god, but untestable, unobservable and unverifiable claims don't hold any weight when attempting to debate any scientific matters.
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Permalink Reply by Dan on
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Yes, they are theories, and pretty good ones too. However, they are just theories and the mind cannot grasp what is inside and/or comes and goes to and from those dimensions, what it could "look" like, what it does, what purpose, total loss for all of it, because as I said, the human mind cannot grasp it. Case in point, even the things we can see clearly evade actual definition of what it is, as it (theories) changes constantly. There was a saying I read a few years ago that states: What we know is SO SMALL compared to what we don't know", that is absolutely perfect, yet humans/scientists seem to think they have it all figured out, and can define whether there is God or not just from mere conjecture and appearances. When in reality, in all their proclaimed high intelligence, can't find their asses with both hands.
Now, as far as "belief" goes, don't even attempt to pull that crap on me, I KNOW beyond the shadow of a doubt (as does my wife) God exists and is the center of all creation. I have news for you my friend, you can argue with a rock, write a thesis on how it's not a rock, write books proclaiming its not a rock, paint the rock to not look like a rock, call it a haystack, deny the rock, but at the end of the day it is still a rock. So it is with God, his existence does not depend on your belief or unbelief of him. The end.
One more thing, science and God are one and the same and coexist very well, but until you learn that God is the originator or it all the two in you mind will never meet.
You also made a few 'assumptions' above you were not entitled to.
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Permalink Reply by TheGratefulNed on
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Case in point, even the things we can see clearly evade actual definition of what it is, as it (theories) changes constantly.
To what things do you refer here?
Where, in anything I said, did you get the idea that I was of the opinion that scientists "think they have it all figured out" and who said anything about "defin[ing] whether there is God or not"? All I said was "god" didn't "say" he was always extant, that was done by humans writing down what they claim "god" told them. (correctly or incorrectly, I was not and am still not judging. I was merely pointing out the facts of the case.)
*sighs* I should probably just go beat my head against the rock I'm apparently denying instead of arguing scientifically with someone who refuses to acknowledge the basic premises of science.
Knowing and believing are two different things. You believe your god exists, always has, is the center of everything, etc. You clearly feel very strongly that it is correct. You may even be able to point to events in your life that you are certain were influenced by your god. However without reproducible, incontrovertible and testable evidence you can not know it nor can you prove it. You can profess your belief in it to me all you wish, but it isn't "news for [me]" it's opinion. I can never "learn that God is the originator" unless the existence of said god can be proven. Short of that, I could only possibly believe it to be the case.
You also made a few 'assumptions' above you were not entitled to.
To which assumptions do you refer? That scientific matters require repeatable, observable and/or quantifiable information?
It is you making the assumptions that I'm denying the existence of gods and that science and religions can not coexist.
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Permalink Reply by Johannes S. on -
My theory is, that everything came from nothing and everything will eventually become into nothing, which will then become into everything and then into nothing. An infinite loop, or paradox, if you'd prefer.
The big bang is something of the future, whilst being a thing of the past.
Let's imagine this: outside OUR universe (there could be more than one) there is no time. If there's no time, there's no before and after. Therefore there, our universe always exists, except there is no such thing as always, as there's no time. Literally, no time. Therefore, the end of our universe creates it's beginning as there is no time, which would make this theory invalid.
God (or Gods, as there are many religions and some have more than just one god) is something made up by humans trying to explain something they can, well, COULD not explain, until just a few hundred years ago - explain their creation. And the afterlife is just a way to comfort people that death is not an ending. And religious commands, codes and whatever is just a way of disciplining the crowd of the most intelligent life forms known in the Universe. Or at least, our galaxy.
I'm sorry, if this offends you. It's just my theory and I believe in it and it really makes a lot of sense to me.
If it did not make sense to you, okay. It really isn't supposed to anyone but me. It's just based on logic, understanding of science and a bit of free and independent thought.
Life exists thanks to an awful lot of coincidences. When you take into account, that there had to be a planet, that could support life, with the right O2, N2, CO2 levels to allow us to breathe, with the right common liquids (water), the right global weather conditions, etc. All that leads me to believe that we are the only ones in existence, there is no such thing as life on other planets as OUR life is a coincidence. And if really we were such a coincidence, life on other planets would probably be an even bigger coincidence, which really is near impossible. Too much of a coincidence.
And our species exists thanks to an even bigger coincidence. A coincidence that a meteorite hit our planet millions of years ago and wiped out creatures bigger than ours.
If you asked me a month ago, If I believed in evolution, my answer would have been NO, but not because of religious reasons, but because it didn't make sense a month ago. It makes much more sense now.
Woah, that was long. But this is one of the three topics I can write really long about.
This really sounded like a blog post, so I also posted this on my blog.
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Permalink Reply by Dan on
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How can something convert to nothing and vice versa? Even science does not allow for that! LOL!
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Permalink Reply by Johannes S. on
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Well, not literally nothing. But when our universe dies, and it will, in trillions of years (if you follow the time of our universe), it's particles will start to die, which means, and I can only presume, the universe, including time, will collapse on itself and therefore, create itself via the big bang. But since there is literally no time outside our universe, it will not be a next universe that will be created. It will be the same one that we live in, thus creating itself via it's death.
Basically, an infinite paradox.
That's as far as my mind can understand. My theory is probably and most likely wrong, but it's a theory that I believe in. You believe in the "God" theory, the one you were probably taught as a child and will never let go, as you *probably* don't question it, never have, never will.
I respect and accept that your theory maybe true, but we won't know until we're dead.
(Or until science proves the existence of it. Or until everyone in the world suddenly get's a religious hallucination (how do you call these? visions? no, I'm not trying to be offensive, just forgotten the word for it as I haven't ever had to use it, until now) at the same time).)
And then, it probably won't matter.
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Permalink Reply by Dan on
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I'm not against that theory, anything is possible, I don't know any more then the best scientists might on that one, but that would only apply to the physical universe as it is known and seen, it may very well by cyclic. My contention is that it is only the very tip of a much larger iceberg.
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Permalink Reply by TheGratefulNed on
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Just got the chance to watch the whole video, very great rebuttals to some of the most common arguments against Big Bang theory and observed cosmology.
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Permalink Reply by Travis Piper on -
Big bang theory. Simply put, there was a bang in space that suposivly created earth by compressing rocks together and gradually the rocks began to gain gravity and started a process of molding (like what food does after sitting out). Then the molding coused germs, atmosphere, ect. That's how people think it originaly started....
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Permalink Reply by Travis Piper on
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One thing is I think it would be impossible for some persone to creat it (like a god) because then who created him/ her?
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