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Is the Swine Flu population control?
This really is a good theory.
"Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast spreading H1N1 strain of influenza which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents there is considerable speculation that the origins of this virus are man made"
Natural News http://tinyurl.com/capf67
"It's not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over population of the planet, have assembled a super secret task force to engineer and distribute a super virulent strain of influenza designed to "correct" the human population (and institute global Martial Law)?
Technically, it's possible. The U.S. military all by itself, has the know how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn't mean they've done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against humanity to intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.
Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes against humanity, haven't they? The U.S. for example, dropped nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.
Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity have been carried out by governments mostly in the name of peace, prosperity and security, by the way. So let's be clear about one thing. Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let there be no question about that.
Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins? As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious of the genetic makeup of the virus as one possible indicator of its origins.
I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media which has no reason to lie about this particular detail, this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:
• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia
This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs in Mexico! and spread it to others. This isn't the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening."
Ron Paul has thoughts on the Swine Flu outbreak, If you don't know who Ron Paul is then please feel free to check him out here http://tinyurl.com/z9ye2
1918 Swine Flu
Current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed during the swine flu of 1918. I believe that also started in march and didn't get big until august. If you didn't know the swine flu attacks people with strong immune systems. If you get it your body will work so hard to fight it off and it will end up killing itself. It is called cytokine storm.
Cytokine storm - When the immune system is fighting pathogens, cytokines signal immune cells such as T-cells and macrophages to travel to the site of infection. In addition, cytokines activate those cells, stimulating them to produce more cytokines. Normally, this feedback loop is kept in check by the body. However, in some instances, the reaction becomes uncontrolled, and too many immune cells are activated in a single place.
The precise reason for this is not entirely understood but may be caused by an exaggerated response when the immune system encounters a new and highly pathogenic invader. cytokine storms have potential to do significant damage to body tissues and organs. If a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs for example, fluids and immune cells such as macrophages may accumulate and eventually block off the airways, potentially resulting in death.
I am not sure what to believe, but I am definitely open to this theory,
"Perhaps due to the genetic makeup of the fast spreading H1N1 strain of influenza which includes genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents there is considerable speculation that the origins of this virus are man made"
Natural News http://tinyurl.com/capf67
"It's not an unreasonable question to ask: Could world governments, spooked by the prospect of radical climate change caused by over population of the planet, have assembled a super secret task force to engineer and distribute a super virulent strain of influenza designed to "correct" the human population (and institute global Martial Law)?
Technically, it's possible. The U.S. military all by itself, has the know how to engineer and unleash such a virus. That doesn't mean they've done so, however. It would be an astonishing leap into crimes against humanity to intentionally unleash such a biological weapon into the wild.
Then again, governments of the world have routinely engaged in crimes against humanity, haven't they? The U.S. for example, dropped nuclear bombs on civilian populations in Japan. Israel rained white phosphorous on Palestinians, Hitler exterminated countless Jews, and Americans fired millions of rounds of depleted uranium rounds into targets in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unleashing a viral biological weapon in Mexico City is no great leap beyond what governments have already done to achieve their goals.
Throughout human history, virtually all the great crimes against humanity have been carried out by governments mostly in the name of peace, prosperity and security, by the way. So let's be clear about one thing. Governments are certainly capable of doing this if properly motivated. Let there be no question about that.
Is there any hard evidence of laboratory origins? As of this moment, I have not personally seen any conclusive evidence of laboratory origins for this H1N1 swine flu. I am open to the possibility that new evidence may emerge in this direction, however, and I am suspicious of the genetic makeup of the virus as one possible indicator of its origins.
I am not a medical specialist in the area of infectious disease, but I have studied microbiology, genetics and a considerable amount of material on pandemics. What seems suspicious to me is the hybrid origin of the viral fragments found in H1N1 influenza. According to reports in the mainstream media which has no reason to lie about this particular detail, this strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:
• Human influenza
• Bird Flu from North America
• Swine flu from Europe
• Swine flu from Asia
This is rather astonishing to realize, because for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, it means an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs in Mexico! and spread it to others. This isn't the only explanation of how it could have happened, but it is one scenario that gives you an idea of the complexity of such a thing happening."
Ron Paul has thoughts on the Swine Flu outbreak, If you don't know who Ron Paul is then please feel free to check him out here http://tinyurl.com/z9ye2
1918 Swine Flu
Current estimates say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed during the swine flu of 1918. I believe that also started in march and didn't get big until august. If you didn't know the swine flu attacks people with strong immune systems. If you get it your body will work so hard to fight it off and it will end up killing itself. It is called cytokine storm.
Cytokine storm - When the immune system is fighting pathogens, cytokines signal immune cells such as T-cells and macrophages to travel to the site of infection. In addition, cytokines activate those cells, stimulating them to produce more cytokines. Normally, this feedback loop is kept in check by the body. However, in some instances, the reaction becomes uncontrolled, and too many immune cells are activated in a single place.
The precise reason for this is not entirely understood but may be caused by an exaggerated response when the immune system encounters a new and highly pathogenic invader. cytokine storms have potential to do significant damage to body tissues and organs. If a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs for example, fluids and immune cells such as macrophages may accumulate and eventually block off the airways, potentially resulting in death.
I am not sure what to believe, but I am definitely open to this theory,
Tags: flu, illness, influenza, pandemic, population, sickness, swine
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Permalink Reply by Mario Fanous on -
i heard about it from my friends sister but didnt know wat it is till now
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Permalink Reply by Johannes S. on -
All those Alex Jones's conspiracy theories come to mind. You know: ENDGAME: The Blueprint For Global Enslavement. And for some time I believed it, then forgot about it and didn't really care. Now, with the flu, I'm starting to believe it again.
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Permalink Reply by leon roy mills on -
i agree, i can see your point
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Permalink Reply by leon roy mills on
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i think its very intresting, i have my opinions on it, but i am also open to this one, i mean its nothing i can put against it, but who am i to say
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Permalink Reply by Travicemo on -
Same for me, I am not believing this as of right now, but they make good points am I am going to keep an open mind.
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Permalink Reply by Tommyr on -
No, it's a really STUPID "theory". The kind of stuff the retards over on abovetopsecret.com spew out every hour. Those people are freaking wacky as hell. Lots of paranoid 'tards over there!
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Permalink Reply by Anubis on -
It is not a poop. control, thus far this flu has only killed a few hundered people, in the U.S. roughly 35,000 people die of the flu each year. so this is hardly a pandemic (For now any way)
-Anubis
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on -
This is NOT a conspiracy so I think people like Alex Jones are making a fool of themselves at the moment.
What is the real cause?
The strongest evidence for the cause of this "swine flu" is the large, intensive pig-farm in La Gloria, Veracruz which in turn is surrounded by large poultry farms. Bad practices, and the specific name of the suspected company that is involved in unhygienic practices is here: - http://permaculture.org.au/2009/04/29/pandemic-ahoy/
This can be solved TOMMOROW if people and industry actually bothered listening. Instead, we have this relentless fear-mongering that just paralyses people away from the underlying issue!
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Permalink Reply by Matt DeFazio on -
OMG, PP doesn't this is a conspiracy?!
Hell just froze under our feet.
Ironically enough, though:
"This is NOT a conspiracy so I think people like Alex Jones are making a fool of themselves at the moment."
Aren't you the same guy always saying that 9/11 was a conspiracy and that the U.S. government is trying to take over their own people (and soon the World)?
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on
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Most of the evidence points to that of a combination of crowded poultry farming adjacent to pig farms with unhealthy sanitary conditions, live transport of both animals and at live poultry markets. Asia has been very intensive in this practice for centuries now. The infection of the avian strain in pigs may result in triple-level mutagenesis that accentuates the ease in which the disease spreads to humans.
The picture is quite complex but it ultimately boils down to unhygienic farming practices, mixing of faeces from animals, live transport of birds and pigs, and also live markets in places like Asia. The 1918 flu may have also helped to spread by mutual pathogenic infection amongst soldiers returning from assignments in Europe; and the virus infecting the pig farms that harbored the right conditions for virility. The epidemic could've further been spread by vaccinations that had been contaminated by live virus samples; but this is just SPECULATION and thus less of a factor than the spread of the disease by mass war-related migration and infection of personnel from the origin in South China.
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on
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"The 1918 influenza pandemic can be looked at from an epidemiological standpoint, that is, by applying the ecological framework concept to it. The ecological framework outlines the relationship between the three most influential factors in the spread of an infectious disease; population, cultural behavior, and habitat. In 1918, the suspected origin of thepandemic, South China, had a very dense population. Of this dense population there were many young adults who had no previous experience with the last suspected bird flu virus of 1898 (Kolata-128), and therefore, lacked the antibodies to fight a similar virus. In addition to this the South Chinese culture is one which likes to eat fresh poultry and pork, often bought live from the market and butchered right in front of them. Lastly, the area of South China is one in which birds (ducks, chickens, etc.), pigs and humans are all in close contact."
http://www.bytown.net/flu1918.htm
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